Tuesday, April 10, 2012

It's not racist to be concerned about Vancouver's real estate

When I see two people write similar opinion columns in a week, I have to ask what prompted the articles? Both The Vancouver Sun and Vancouver Courier published opinion pieces asserting that race or racism is behind the concern about offshore buyers driving up the price of Vancouver real estate.

As I wrote to both Pete McMartin and Alan Garr last week, I think trotting out the racism line is a cheap shot on both their parts and on the part of people like former Vancouver city planner Larry Beasley. No denying racism exists but Larry's assertion that peoples' concern about Chinese foreign buyers being "bullshit", is bullshit itself. People have a right to be concerned when the playing field is not level. My own concern is that people coming from countries where they pay no tax or low tax (or hide their incomes), and as a result are capable of saving much larger amounts of net income compounded at higher rates, are competing with people like me who have to earn much higher incomes to compete on a level field. Do I support market controls? Not really. Do I have a solution? Actually no I don't. Former councillor Peter Ladner was on CKNW Monday morning and I liked his approach a lot better. He said the issue is a concern and needs to be looked at without calling people names or accusing them of racism. He also cited a number of examples of regulations in countries like Austria and Switzerland which are designed to curb speculation and keep affordability. I think we can see what concerns the spin doctors within the R/E lobby.

Garr asserts people concerned about realtors catering to wealthy Chinese are living in a fictional world and quotes Beasley suggesting it's racism. McMartin suggests the issue driving it is race also. He (Martin) does make a good point though, in that governments should track the numbers and have the facts in order to act. Anecdotal, fantasy... call it what you want... offshore money (Chinese and otherwise) has had, and does have, a significant impact on RE prices in Vancouver. What do I base my assertion on? Talk to any realtor in town and ask them who's showing up with the big money. I've got a number of friends in the business who will talk candidly about it and they have no reason to lie to me. In fact, one of my friends (a West Side realtor) asked me for referrals a few months ago. My response to him was that I found it rather odd, that in a white hot R/E market, he would bother asking. Afterall, wasn't business for him better than ever? He told me business on the West Side was dead if you did not speak Mandarin or Cantonese.

Notwithstanding the fact that money has been made cheap, and this (nosebleed priced real estate) is essentially an interest rate driven phenomenon, exacerbated in Vancouver by good old fashioned lack of supply, and whether the number is 1.2 % or 3% that are offshore buyers; the price of real estate is ultimately determined by one thing, and that is how much the last house in the neighborhood sold for... period. If one guy, from China or elsewhere, shows up at 888 Whatever St. and bids $200k over asking, that becomes the baseline and he could be .00001% of the market for all I care.  Canada Line, Maple Ridge.... Parksville, for that matter, mostly rise in relative terms following that. The ripples begin in the middle of the pond when you throw the rock in it. And by the way, when the price trend reverses, it starts from the outside and moves back in.
By the way, on a related note, when the issue is clearly lack of supply and too much demand, what is the wisdom of a provincial government creating tax incentives for first time home buyers which can only enhance demand? Just sayin'.

Having said all this, I question the 3% number that Garr quotes coming from the Vancouver Real Estate Board President Eugene Klein (actually I question just about anything that comes from them) . What does that 3% cover? Does it include recent immigrants, people that live here part time,  people that have a spouse or other relative living here (with house in his or her name) while they continue to live overseas and commute, students? Hopefully you get the picture.

And again, I have to ask what prompted the article? We know where Larry's coming from and we know where the Vancouver R/E Board's bread is buttered... so who's pushing the racism theme?

7 comments:

  1. Many offshore buyers don't live here, pay no income tax, have businesses overseas and thus create no jobs here, do little as far as patronizing local businesses, take advantage of our educational system for their kids. You can't blame them, it's a give away, the door is wide open. Basically they drive up real estate prices and make it one of the highest cost of living cities in the world. My buddies that are in RE development love it!

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  2. I don't own a home, my business partner does. We both earn the same income. I tell him "...it would be nice if I could afford to buy a home". He says "...your just angry that prices are so high but I don't care because I want the offshore buyers to keep buying so the value of my house doesn't drop" I told him to brush up on his Mandarin or Cantonese!

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  3. I agree with you. I met a lady here (Dubai)a couple of weeks ago. We spoke and I told her I am from Canada. She started to go on on as to how lucky I am to be a Canadian citizen...which I agree. Then she told me a story of how a friend of hers was able to get citizenship in Canada. Her friend's family brought property in Canada....didn't live there full time but came every 6 months or so. Once they received their Canadian Citizenships they sold the house. I don't think buying property was the only thing they had to do in order to get citizenship...but it was a huge factor for it showed that they had money and would be able to "invest" in the country. I was very disappointed to hear that.

    I am all for immigration otherwise I wouldn't be a Canadian. However my family lived, worked and invested in the country. My parents do not live in Vancouver full time...but still pay their taxes...etc.

    Anyway I thought you would find this interesting. KD

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  4. Re: Questioning Eugene Klein. True, in the same article Eugene Klein states that, since the building of the Golden Ears Bridge, single family home prices in Maple Ridge have gone up 30% in one year. A quick check on the REBGV web site and you'll see how ridiculous (and grossly misleading) this statement is; sf only up 2.2% in last year, 3.9% in last 5 years.

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  5. The Realturds and property pimps are throwing around the "Racist" card as a tool to help maintain the Ponzi scheme and thus their commissions.

    I've never understood what 'race' immigrant is.

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  6. Sandy Garossino said it better than I did.
    http://www.vancourier.com/news/Chinese+buyer+concerns+based+facts/6452162/story.html

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  7. "As far as we can tell, about 90 per cent of those people end up settling in Vancouver and Toronto. They don't even come here," Kenney said.


    "Quebec gets the money. Ostensibly, they are supposed to be coming to Quebec, but they go to Vancouver and that is where they stop."

    From the Montreal Gazette:

    Que. immigrant program funnels rich newcomers to B.C.: Kenney
    He (Jason Kenney) said in most cases, the family sets up a household in Vancouver while the breadwinner "goes back to Asia or wherever to run the business, where they are not paying Canadian taxes."
    Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/immigrant+program+funnels+rich+newcomers+Kenney/6494718/story.html#ixzz1st3knHUo

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